And here we are with the next #hellban harvested in the channel of #theyoungturks. This time in a conversation of a standard comment with a user:
Under the link of the following comment there should be an answer:
@Heidi Melcarek Sounds to me that you are looking at our conversation from the wrong side of the street. For me it’s just a conversation adding ideas and view points, not a discussion with opposing points of view. btw I agree with your “dream team” for the election also for now a Sanders/Warren ticket looks more likely. Talking about greed, can it exist in a world without numbers? :) https://youtu.be/get272FyNto
This is the next answer that is also hidden by a #hellban, it is located under the following message:
Dear Heidi, please don’t get this wrong. Besides the fact that I’m trying to have an interesting conversation with you, not a confrontation, I’m trying to document a so called “hellban” algorithm of this site. I’m also trying to inform tyt about this because I think they don’t know about it. Here a screen that proofs my point: https://framasphere.org/uploads/images/thumb_large_0308a23e29a06cf8b025.jpg (if this message goes through) btw I didn’t get a notification of the answer of the “jesuisatire” profile.
Wanna bet that they will say it was an error that will not happen again? This time we still catch them. And the next time, will we be aware about what is happening and how they manipulate the citizens? Only a law that obligates them to turn down their wallet gardens, to decentralize the system can prevent that this will happen again.
There is no free market any more in this monopoly build up by google, android, youtube or for example facebook.
This can only be solved by law or and or grass roots movement. The algorithms have to be open source, the walls of their gardens have to be torn down by the obligation to admit open source protocols like #activitypub as it is used for example by #peertube or #mastodon.
Media outlet's like the young turks can offer right now to their supporters their "product" publishing via their own peertube site, besides the existing youtube offer. They also could offer social networking via a mastodon instance. Actually every media outlet, NY times, CNN .. every one could do that. They could decentralize the moderation, sort and protect their users by selecting to which sites they connect their server of a decentralized social web.
Or they can decide to be at the mercy of a few monopolies that do with their algorithms what ever they please.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KSryJXDpZo
https://youtu.be/zy4XWqytWRs Google and "freespeech"? You guys have no idea what that company is standing for at this point and how you yourself, the young turks, are making money of the technics that are used to influence people on a subconcious level. Youtube pulls 228 million comments in three month with an algorithm by #shadowban. Need proof? Here you are: https://framasphere.org/posts/7649282 (I guess you have people that understand spanisch at hand, otherwise just send this link to #AOC) Welcome to big brother 2.0 From now on our algorithms will administer the dopamin your behavior deserves.
https://youtu.be/8C7VG6_zDi0 Oha .. I hate to bring it to you Andrew but you will have to rewrite your book. YT right now is pulling more than 228 million comments and answers to comments by algorithm in three month with shadowban! That's their own data. Reasons are uncertain as there is no law to open source those algos by default to protect freedom of speech. The only reasonable way to stop this is decentralization by default and moderation by the respective nodes and the users. Zuckerberg for example knows that but he can't say it because share holders will fry him. The problem we are facing is because of jazzing up user numbers without any reasonable way of filtering. You just can't connected the whole world without creating a big f** mess. We don't do it in real life neither. Prof Dr. Peter Kruse explains that brillantly, you'll find bit's of him here on YT. I'm sorry that the content of the following link is in spanisch but I'm investigating that algorithm "reverse engeneering" over a month now on spanisch YT commenting on politics democracy and democratic elections: https://joindiaspora.com/posts/15729340