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What is a #Cuckpod?


The precise criteria are somewhat murky, but it seems to involve hurting a Nazi's feelings. Various lame attempts have been made at creating a static list, but thanks to @https://podupti.me we have proper software to do this.

If you're a #cuckpodmin, or just wish you were, add your pod to the list so all of the edgelord shitheels in the Federation know to steer clear of your NPC ass. If you sign up in the next 30 days, George Soros will cover all of your hosting expenses for a year*!

(* I mean, unless he already does -- which is pretty much a given, amirite?)

https://cuckpods.online/

#cuckpods #diaspora #hubzilla #friendica #federation #podmins #poduptime
@Brian Ó 🐟 i just would like to inform you, that these nazi-rebel-"alliance" will go soon after you, they are allreedy whinning over your post, and i would like to say

thank you


these nazi-crybabies are such a pathetic bunch of snowflakes
Meh. I've been on their shit list for a long time.
Hi, @Brian Ó 🐟 yeah me too, I've been hitting the ignore button as fast as possible and banning some of them from my own pod.
Also for the list you propose I just want to be 100% sure, this list is for all pods that are against all those shit people right? Because I'll happily add my pod to the list.
:D this is great. Thanks Brian!
Also for the list you propose I just want to be 100% sure, this list is for all pods that are against all those shit people right? Because I’ll happily add my pod to the list.
It exists solely to mock the creators and disseminators of the "cuckpods" list. Feel free to add your pod if you think it's funny :D
pff what's going on, it's been a few days my stream's been nothing but nazi, and fascists that later realise they're not fascists but indeed nazi, and fascist nazi, and then anti-nazi, and then anti-anti-nazi, and then fucking idiotic rebel alliances and what the flying fuck have NPCs to do with all this? are we talking about some game I'm not aware of?
pff what’s going on, it’s been a few days my stream’s been nothing but nazi, and fascists that later realise they’re not fascists but indeed nazi, and fascist nazi, and then anti-nazi, and then anti-anti-nazi, and then fucking idiotic rebel alliances and what the flying fuck have NPCs to do with all this? are we talking about some game I’m not aware of?
Michele this is happening to your brain if you just smoke enough crack. But honestly I'm pretty amused by this soap opera.
may i introduce you the alternative reality of the nazi-trollz;)
i am a bit curious, if some not-that-smart-"leftists" will join their nazi-alliance
But honestly I’m pretty amused by this soap opera.
meh. I'd like to see something about #GranblueFantasy, #Mini4WD, #FinalFantasy, #manga (and I don't mean the american-style bra wearing wohoo look at me I'm a slut but no I'm a pikachu cuz my bra is yellow kind of shit), #DylanDog.... that's the kind of stuff that would entertain me. Nazi talk is just boring to tears. Booooo-riiiiing yawn
i am a bit curious, if some not-that-smart-“leftists” will join their nazi-alliance
if that's what gets it up for them then by all means. but I wish I had a "ignore tag" button because really, I can only think of very very few things that bore me more than communism vs nazism. fucking retarded rebel alliances for example.
@Hypolite Petovan are you being serious? do you really enjoy that kind of porn disguised as cosplay?
:D

Well done.
I guess they're cucks after all!
I can only think of very very few things that bore me more than communism vs nazism
I wish I lived a life where this was just a boring nuissance to me and not something that threatens my existence and well being.
LOL. LOVE it. The fascists are SUCH little snowflakes, aren't they? The butthurt coming from them is epic. Whining about their "free speech" like the little man-baby hypocrites that they are.

Oh, and I laugh that they are still using the word "cuck". LOL. Isn't Roger Stone a swinger who wanted someone to bang his wife? What does that make him? And Donnie? Donnie is not even a beta, but these geniuses all think he's an alpha. Of course, a few of them think they are hugely big studs themselves. Yeah, I bet women just love facists who post dank frog memes from Mommy's basement all day in order to "own the libs". I bet that gets the ladies very hot.
@Hypolite Petovan ok we're not understanding each other here.

When I search for mangas I typically want to see mangas. When I search for porn actresses in bikini I typically want to see bikini soft porn. Nothing is wrong with either, but when I see my stream filled with this kind of rubbish (warning: NSFW) and it's all tagged with #manga and #cosplay it's just not right. This is what the bloody thing looks like, and it's possibly the worst idea for a cosplay ever and definitely not sexy and doesn't have three faces or even tits.

Go ahead, look for yourself. What I currently see on my pod is:
  • nazi crap
  • anarchy crap
  • a cople of anime-related youtube videos (yeah, evangelion is originally an anime)
  • some german article with two chicks in a bath tub
  • an actual manga (!)
  • a weird psychedelic video
  • fan-made porn of some american videogame
  • sluts in bikini
and so on and so on. I hope I made my point.
@Michele Santullo: Please desist thread-jacking and calling women "sluts" because they wear swimsuits. Thank you.
I still don't understand why every tenth one of them can't just get an old second hand desktop and run their own pods. But, as projection is their thing, they probably want their pods controlled by someone else and to be forced out so they can, in a sense, be cucked
@Techn0mancer: Because they define themselves as a persecuted minority. Also, they can't stand the thought that whatever garbage ideas they fling into the ether might reach less than 100% of federation randos.
I keep suggesting they run their own set of pods, federate with each other. They seem to want an echo chamber anyway. Any time I've engaged with them, or have seen anyone else engage with them, they seem to declare themselves master debaters even though they demonstrate no such capability. Using a bunch of insider language aimed at stupid racist people like "red pill" and "cuck" is no way to "win" a debate, but these geniuses seem to think so.

I think they should run their own pods, federate with only each other (and no normal people carry their garbage). They should call it NaziCircleJerkaspora, to honestly portray their situation to anyone looking to sign up with them (no more trying to entice with "cute" animal videos or anime, etc. to "hide their powerlevel" from the unsuspecting).

Then their recruiting efforts are mostly a failure, and no one else has to see their awful vile garbage and the Nazis never have to be bothered with any counterpoints from normal and sane people. It's a win-win-win.
Maybe the "cuck pods" can carry information such as this during sign-up/welcome so that incoming users can be armed against Nazi recruitment tactics?

https://medium.com/@DeoTasDevil/the-rhetoric-tricks-traps-and-tactics-of-white-nationalism-b0bca3caeb84
Set up a pod for them on cheap hardware. Add code to use their browser to mine some type of cryptocurrency. Donate said cryptocurrency funds to progressive candidates & causes
But the snowflakes arent suposed to be the leffties XD
@Brian Ó 🐟 what...? did you even read what I wrote? oh you know what, I don't care, you and your crazy rebel alliance crap, you guys just attack whoever doesn't repeat whatever you want them to say. I'll just ignore each and every one of you,
you and your crazy rebel alliance crap
Wut?
Lindsay diaspora
This stupid stuff is spreading beyond Diaspora now and I think it could hurt the wider Fediverse. I'm not even here for a month yet and this would be enough to send me out the door if it wasn't for a friend who invited me.
This stupid stuff is spreading beyond Diaspora now
Can you explain that?
Lindsay diaspora
I read about kit on Mastodon
Okay, interesting. Actually I would just advice everyone who is annoyed by these guys to simply ignore each of them otherwise you will, for sure, see annoying posts all the time in your stream.
(These guys and the discussions about them)
I'm amused that the discussion among the butthurt Nazis is still going on over on that thread - casting themselves as the underdogs and the victims. Why, even the CIA is in on it!

LOL. They don't seem to realize that most normal people consider Nazis to be gigantic assholes, and don't want to be around them, don't want to read their awful disgusting "ideas", and don't want to be trolled by their dank frog memes.

They've probably spent too much time in their Mom's basement and understand nothing about social norms in the wider world. They've been huffing each other's beer farts in their Nazi echo chamber for so very long that they think they are the normal ones, and the rest of the wider world is somehow "oppressing" them by not wanting to associate with such trash.

They remind me of a very much narrower and specialized version of the typical Fox News victim that nearly everyone knows - they want to shout the latest Fox News talking points at you for EVERY conversation. When people want to talk about something else or avoid them at all costs, they think it's because the other people are "triggered" or are "snowflakes" or "can't handle the truth", etc., when the truth is that the other people recognize the earmarks of a cult member and don't want to be party to it.
@Rosenrot - do you find you have to set them on ignore over and over? They seem to keep moving around, updating their names, etc. Cannot tell you how many times I've had to set Wolf and Thea on ignore. It only takes a moment - though on mobile edition, it seems a bit more involved, IIRC. But I do wonder why they have to keep making new names, jumping pods, etc.

Also, I wonder if Diaspora doesn't want to fall into being like Gab or similar, and really off-putting to most people, if more active measures won't have to be taken.

Sure, in the early days of the 'net (and in BBS days), the same problem existed, sort of. Except that fascists were a marginal group. These days, they feel emboldened to come out of their Nazi closets and are trying harder than ever to organize and recruit.

Anyway, if as someone else here ( @Lindsay ) has said, their first impression is having a feed full of fascist garbage - or people that "hide their power level", then reveal they are fascists later, after all the "cute" pet videos, vegan recipes, anime and other attempts to pretend to be a human, then that cannot be good.

I honestly don't know what to do about it though. I personally can set these people on ignore, but if most people come in the door, see these types, then bail, I don't see much chance for active growth. I know lots of people are just fine with Diaspora remaining a niche thing, though, so maybe that's fine. Just as long as most that are self-selected for Diaspora are not fascists that is okay, too.
Nazis are like brushing teeth. The moment you stop taking care of them, things quickly become worse. Like, you can brush 3x a day and floss for a year and then have lots of sweets one day and forget to brush once before bed, and boom! Cavities...
I honestly don’t know what to do about it though.
It's a hard problem given Diaspora's design and philosophy. When you go all in on "freedom", you tend to become a safe-haven for people who aren't tolerated elsewhere.

D* is a great idea, and I enjoy it (obviously), but I don't think it's the ultimate replacement to corporate social media. If the dream of "the federation" is going to last, it will need a successor that can build from the ground up with the benefit of hindsight.
do you find you have to set them on ignore over and over?
Yes they jump a lot. I do not have the problem since I don't read tags they spam a lot and so it is sufficient to block only a few of them from time to time. In the recent years they avoided me so it was not too much of a trouble with them directly. (The still harass other people and such I deal with them occasionally)
Also, I wonder if Diaspora doesn’t want to fall into being like Gab or similar, and really off-putting to most people, if more active measures won’t have to be taken.
I do not know whats on with Gab but this fear is nothing new. Since they are quite active and jump from pod to pod they are a pain in the ass but in the end they are just 5 (core) guys circle-jerking all day long. In my opinion this is not a mayor "Diaspora is a shittplace" problem but just some clowns thinking they are some kind of anonymous 4chan warrior fascists or something like that. In my opinion the pods should just ban all of them immediately since they are just trolls looking for harassing people but thats not my decision.
These days, they feel emboldened to come out of their Nazi closets and are trying harder than ever to organize and recruit.
Why trying to recruit people from Diaspora? Most of them are socially pretty liberal with every kind of economic theory. And to be honest Diaspora is just a tiny subset of the internet full of nerds, freaks, and weird people. Whats the point of "recruiting" 5 of those?
Anyway, if as someone else here ( @Lindsay ) has said, their first impression is having a feed full of fascist garbage - or people that “hide their power level”, then reveal they are fascists later, after all the “cute” pet videos, vegan recipes, anime and other attempts to pretend to be a human, then that cannot be good.
Thats why I really like every voice standing up and speaking out against this bullshit. Just keeping quite and letting them do won't change anything, since you are effected by them even if you do not see them, e.g. if they harass your dialog partner till they are leaving.
D* is a great idea, and I enjoy it (obviously), but I don’t think it’s the ultimate replacement to corporate social media. If the dream of “the federation” is going to last, it will need a successor that can build from the ground up with the benefit of hindsight.
Did you take a look at Scuttlebutt? I think they do quite a few things better than diaspora.
I like the idea, too. I've been on and lurking for years. Thing is, I've told lots of people over the years to check it out, etc.

Since 2016, though, I have not done that. Why? Mostly because around that time (just before and after the U.S. "election" of Trump) I noticed a lot more Nazi activity on here. And I don't want my friends, associates, co-workers, etc., to think that I'm a Nazi. And you cannot really explain that as a backdrop when telling someone about something like D*, either: "It's a federated thing, it supports freedom. Now you may see a lot of Nazi activity on there until you start pruning people, blah blah".

That's a lot of background just for a social media platform, and certainly doesn't make for a good "elevator pitch", so I just don't bother. It's kind of a Catch-22 - if I tell them about D*, but don't warn them about the Nazis, they may think I'm a crypto-fascist and actually like the Nazis on D*, and I definitely do not want to be associated, in any way, with such trash.

If I do tell them up front, that will be their first impression no matter what they may see when they actually get on.

It's almost easier to explain cryptocurrency in an "elevator pitch" at this point... :/

I've dabbled in some of the other ones, but haven't done all that much lately - what do other federated systems do, if anything? GNU Social, Mastadon, etc.
@Rosenrot: I looked at it in the fairly early days, and I found it a little too rough around the edges. Mainly, what turned me off was the near inability to search for content. Has it improved? What do they do better than D*?
@Rosenrot - I heard someone talking about Scuttlebutt on a podcast (Steal this show, I think). I may have to check it out.
If I do tell them up front, that will be their first impression no matter what they may see when they actually get on.
I wonder how much of a turn-off all the porn is for new users. For every Nazi post there are 100 bot-posted porn images.
@Rosenrot: I looked at it in the fairly early days, and I found it a little too rough around the edges. Mainly, what turned me off was the near inability to search for content. Has it improved? What do they do better than D*?
Since it is a more "friend of a friend" approach Nazi minorities (like on Diaspora) will not be as present as on this platform where they are flooding every tag with their shitposts. I didn't look at it for some month now and yes it was still very rough. But I had the feeling it much better represents real world social networks and such has not that tendency to over represent loud groups than these crypto-fascist trolls. What I found quite nice is the set of people there. It's not that much of a "post sharing mentality" but rather discussions and sharing of own creations. I actually just stopped using it since I'm still spending some time here and didn't want to leave the Diaspora people behind.

Ah another downside and reason why I deleted it: It uses a lot of hard drive resources since it stores every post in your stream on your disk.
For every Nazi post there are 100 bot-posted porn images.
Lol which tags are you following :D I see nearly no porn at all in my stream. Actually just porn from people resharing it; and thats completely okay for me :)
Diaspora has nothing wrong in terms of architecture (in my opinion), it just needs certain improvements. Such as better administration tools. If users could filter tags, not just inclusively follow them but also have blacklist/whitelist and admins could block tags/users/pods on server level it would be much nicer place to be.

It isn't something against Diaspora nature, just not implemented (yet).
Ah another downside and reason why I deleted it: It uses a lot of hard drive resources since it stores every post in your stream on your disk.
I also recall a major drawback being the lack of portability (i.e. you can only reasonably access it from one device, because all of your data "lives" on that device).
I think Movim sounds cool, but the problem with finding social networks even more fringe than D* is that nobody's there.
On that note, I just diddled with the XMPP server on this pod and now users can connect to Movim using their D* credentials and take all their contacts with them. Woo!
Join the meme contest on #cockpod
Awwwwww the Diaspora pod iliketoast.net I maintain gets a cute mention here: https://jasonrobinson.me/content/2805784/welcome-to-diaspora-the-online-soci/ .. happened to fall on that post by accident, or well, due to tag abuse.

Proud of my doings.
Proud of my doings.
Add it to the list!
I've managed to more or less block all the obnoxious rightists. I don't see their stuff anymore unless someone else sends me a link. I'm sure I'll have to intermittently block new accounts, but it's more or less a solved problem for me.
@Brian Ó 🐟 I have deeply mixed feelings about this. Aside from the debatable Freedom of Speech concerns, which i know we are not on agreement on, I think the larger concerns that I have is that all of this blocking/policing/censorship is done via one-off solutions, not part of diaspora*'s native capabilities, not within the individual user's control, and solely at the discretion of the podmin. That said, I understand where you and the other so-called #cuckpods are coming from.

Perhaps if diaspora* provided a way to natively manage a pod in a manner that allowed the flexibility for the podmin to set global defaults, but also allowed users to change those defaults if they want to, then I wouldn't have an issue with it, even if the end result is basically the same as what you have done. Perhaps it is just a semantic distinction at some level, but in my view, there is a difference between configuring and using the platform to achieve a result and going beyond the platform to achieve a similar result.

I really would like to see configurable user and hashtag filters at the pod level, but in away that would enable individual users to edit those filters to customize their own experience.

The user filter would suppress posts and comments authored by users on the filter list. That content would still exist in the pod's database, but it would be suppressed. an individual user could then add or remove filters to achieve the desired experience. By allowing the podmin to set a global default, the podmin can then create the desired user experience for new users.

A similar mechanism should be available for hashtags. For example, if you don't want the #nsfw content to be visible on your pod, then you add the appropriate tags to the global default filter on your pod.
I really would like to see configurable user and hashtag filters at the pod level, but in away that would enable individual users to edit those filters to customize their own experience.
As much as I am for freedom of speech I still think system owners should have complete control over it. First of all servers are not some abstract entities existing in outer space. They have owners, they are hosted somewhere and thus are subject to regulations legal and social. What is acceptable for one place might be not for other. E.g. having swastikas or certain NSFW content published on your server might have legal consequences in some countries.

While I agree that there should be flexible filters available to users there also should be policy tools for admins.
@Αντισθένης I’m not sure what overriding the policies of the admin would accomplish. If one doesn’t like the policies of an admin, you’re always able to go set up your own node or pod and run it how you like.
I guess i was thinking of it in terms analogous to Google's SafeSearch. SafeSearch is the default, but if you want to see explicit potentially offensive nsfw content, then you have the option to disable SafeSearch and go joe freestyle.
I always hear this argument, but looking at the sites that have been added to https://cuckpods.online, there is only one hosted in Germany.
This list is meant as a joke and mocks another list of pods who supposedly banned certain users from federating. But anyway I do not think it applies to just legal regulations. I treat pods as clubs. There is a host and guests, together they form a community. Yes, it might be a "safe space" or it might be free-for-all debate arena. If something becomes a problem for community they are in their right to shut the gates. On the other hand everyone is free to choose community to join or start their own.

This is not uncommon for distributed systems. Just look at e-mail. Some servers don't accept mail from certain other servers. Some filter it by policy and set requirements which are not mandatory part of SMTP protocol. Is it violation of freedom of speech that Yahoo chooses to drop mail from certain blacklists?
If something becomes a problem for community they are in their right to shut the gates. On the other hand everyone is free to choose community to join or start their own.
I agree, and I did not intend to impose my view on anyone. As I mentioned a few comments ago, I would like to see diaspora* have some kind of flexible way to manage these kind of policies. That's all. Let the podmin decide how to use them. Right now, it's not being done at all, or it's being done inconsistently. that doesn't seem ideal.
Right now, it’s not being done at all, or it’s being done inconsistently. that doesn’t seem ideal.
Yes, it seems that inconsistency worsens the issue producing conspiracy theories of "shadow banning" i.e. that admins intentionally try to silently block someone from federating to their pod without anyone noticing.
Yes, it seems that inconsistency worsens the issue producing conspiracy theories of "shadow banning" i.e. that admins intentionally try to silently block someone from federating to their pod without anyone noticing.
Well, that is what I did at least. I mean, it's the only way currently on Diaspora to stop content actually arriving to the pod you host. You go into the database and crap out their public key. Since Diaspora never refetches the key (which is a bit bad imho), this stops the payloads they send on the federation level.

Just placing someone on an ignore list wont stop you having to host their content. As a person who pays for hosting that content, I'm not going to host their propaganda if I can choose not to.
Yep, I get it, it is just admins do not really intend to do this trying to hide inconvenient truth from their users without anyone noticing how foundations of free speech are undermined - they just want to block someone and they would do it openly if there were better tools available.
Aside from the debatable Freedom of Speech concerns, which i know we are not on agreement on
@Αντισθένης: If you're basing your conception of my views on the matter on the hyperbole being spewed by the D*-Nazis, then we may disagree less than you think. In any case, I appreciate your willingness to disagree with me without resorting to histrionics :D
Perhaps it is just a semantic distinction at some level, but in my view, there is a difference between configuring and using the platform to achieve a result and going beyond the platform to achieve a similar result.
I went "beyond the platform" to try to block one specific user, but the script I wrote ultimately didn't work as I intended and I stopped using it. Instead, I removed the user's key from my database, which is 100% effective and also a solution promoted by the developers. It's funny, but almost every other federated social platform has built-in tools to do this kind of thing and I don't see anyone screaming bloody murder about it.
Yes, it seems that inconsistency worsens the issue producing conspiracy theories of “shadow banning”
@Alexander: For my part, I've never "shadow banned" anyone. I don't believe in it. Despite the accusations that I ban "anyone who disagrees with [me]", I've banned exactly three people ever, and I each time I made a public post explaining who and why. My transparency seems to piss off the haters more than the podmins who simply ban users silently do. Go figure.
Just placing someone on an ignore list wont stop you having to host their content. As a person who pays for hosting that content, I’m not going to host their propaganda if I can choose not to.
+1. As best I can distill it, this seems to be their conception of freedom of speech:

"Free speech" == "I should be able to say whatever I want, and I should be able to say it while hiding behind anonymity, and you should be forced to listen to me."

IMO, the "freedom" allowed by Diaspora* also includes the freedom to not have to put up with their bullshit if I don't want to.

When I ban a user, I may be making a unilateral decision on the part of my users, but we don't charge a fee for service and there are literally dozens of other pods to choose from, so if they're really upset that they don't get to read antisemitic screeds or look at kiddie porn on this pod, they're welcome to GTFO.

For the record, I've never received a complaint from an actual user of this pod. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I am a #cuckpod operator (still have to register on the list though). In my case, it's pretty simple, because I operate the pod exclusively for myself as only registered user. But even if that wasn't the case, I'd have no qualms with swinging the ban hammer against alt-right, neo-nazis, incels and whatnot.

Yonatan Zunger actually wrote a very good thread about social media policies and free speech a while back. In it, he makes this interesting observation about policing speech:
Because speech can be used to suppress other speech, the speech maximum is not the zero-regulation point.
And comes to the conclusion that in order to have a good and open community on your platform, you need to develop a distinct editorial voice for the platform and police that:
So if you want to have functional policy in the modern age, come up with an editorial voice, and admit that it constitutes a social norm. The value prop of your platform to users is that social norm; embrace it, identify it, advertise it.[...]
So end of long rant: If you want to maximize user engagement, don't be afraid to tell bad actors to piss off.
I only disagree with him in one minor aspect, and that is that the goal is to maximize speech. That's a fine goal for a big centralized platform, but less so for me as operator of a small pod. Free speech is not an absolute right, but has to be weighed against those rights of others that it might intersect with. And in this particular setting, I use rights here in the loosest sense - feeling comfortable on the platform and not being bothered by f***heads is a right, too. So I would always prioritize the agreed upon community standards / editorial voice of my pod over any free speech concerns. But in the end, I think that doesn't really contradict what Yonatan saysand leads to mostly the same conclusions.
I would like to see diaspora* have some kind of flexible way to manage these kind of policies.
For me, the one thing that could use some technical improvements is being really transparent about any bans.

It would be great to have an accepted community standard for letting people on your pod know exactly who has been banned and for what reason. Posts by the podmin with a certain hashtag might work, but the problem I see is that you can't just follow the tag, because that would spam you with bans from other pods.

But as I said, since I'm alone on my pod, I personally have all the transparency I need ;)
I didn’t expect there would be so much disagreement on the need for flexible content filtering. Oh well, that explains why it doesn’t exist after so many years....
Well, Google removes a lot of stuff from their results. Torrent trackers, things requested by various governments, just plain spam. If it didn't remove anything it would be plain unusable - because top results would be all taken by aggressive SEO trolls.
Keep up the good work... we all need less nazis, fascists and racists in our feeds.