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Thank you, but please make it possible to edit posts once they've been posted. This has been in your bug/feature queue for nearly eight years (#1762), and really is basic, fundamental functionality that other systems have on day one. The UX/UI and cybersecurity issues are pretty straightforward and well understood.
@Trocatintas, that's really a very infrequent use case. By far, the most probable use case is that someone made a spElIngh errrrrror in the post, or forgot something, or whstever, and now can't fix it. Look at just about every other social media platform, programming support platform, or place where people come together - and they all implement editing after the fact. There is a lot of call for this feature in the Pluspora community, as evidenced by the official bug report in the bug tracker.

I've done UX/UI and cybersecurity development for a long time now. Understand your user persona and design to them. That solves the 99% case. They want editing of posted texts. Understand your threat model, understand you can't protect against everyone and everything, and that will deal with the 1% case.

To solve your issue, just show that the posting has changed. Right now, your post says "about an hour ago," so there is timely information. If it said "changed about two minutes ago," we'd know you'd made an update.
@Trocatintas - As someone in UX/UI, I work on usability issues. This is a usability issue that many are complaining about, in the threads I see. It has nothing to do with G+, although G+ has the feature. I've never been on Facebook, but I'd be surprised if they don't have this feature. So does the bug tracking system used by Diaspora. So does Stack Overflow (I believe), where many developers go to answer questions. So do many of the online forums for magazines, fan sites, and more.

Being able to edit your own post after the fact is a basic, fundamental feature that people expect, regardless of where they came from. I would expect any of the standard usability tests of random groups of Diaspora users would show that, by significant majorities. There are ways to do this UX/UI testing, that gathers real, trustable data that far outweigh the offerings of a few anecdotal incidents.

(For the record, I've been doing UX/UI work for far more than five years. Cybersecurity, too. There are some unsurprising commonalities.)
it was decided quite some time ago that the editing feature should be implemented (as soon as somebody finds time to implement it). it was also decided that in this feature, the post history will be kept so you can see if the post was edited and how. you can read the discussions about this on discourse and on github.
@Waithamai Dragonqueen That just makes me sad. But if it was the project creators wishes. Although sincerely I hope it never gets implemented.
Thanks @Waithamai Dragonqueen. I am the last response on the github chain. I appreciate the pointer to the discourse discussion. I'd take a crack at this myself, but I'm dealing with some medical issues that make that too difficult.
Yes, please allow us to edit our posts and comments. If I accidentally say something hurtful or misleading, I'd like to apologize and fix it, not leave it up.
Robin diaspora
You can delete your posts and comments, of course. And on your own pod all will be well. But on other pods you can't be certain that anything you deleted will be deleted everywhere. That's the nature of FEDERATION. It's not all centralized. It's more like e-mail than like a forum or a centralized server (Farcebook, etc).
@Robin, all true, but federation of information is a known and understood problem. The Usenet groups of pre-Internet days did all right, as well as other forums of the time. We've learned a lot since then. A lot of big data databases are federated, and they know how to handle the problems with consistency. I suspect that Diaspora doesn't need to invent anything new to give all the pods a reasonably consistent view, for some value of "reasonable."
I suspect that Diaspora doesn’t need to invent anything new to give all the pods a reasonably consistent view
It is already so. I think what @Robin means there is still chance of certain event (post creation, deletion, comment, etc) not propagating to all pods. E.g. if a pod gets offline for prolonged time then at some point messages will be dropped and certain changes won't be reflected. So while it is reasonably consistent there is no 100% guarantee of consistency.
It's great to see so much engagement here!

We'd just like to make a gentle request not to overload welcome messages with feature requests. If you want to request a feature, feel free to create your own post about this, or to start a Discourse discussion or open a GitHub issue if that hasn't already been done.

Regarding post editing, every decision has been taken and our federation code is now ready to provide this feature. Now it just needs one or more of the people who want this feature to create it! diaspora* is not a company with developers who provide everything for a load of passive end-users. diaspora* is its community, and any user can become a contributor. There's no need to wait, frustrated; if you want post editing, and you have coding experience, get in touch with our core team to discuss it. If you can't contribute code but want to encourage someone else to build this feature, you could consider adding to the bounty on it. We'd love someone to create this feature for the network we all love.

Thanks for being such an awesome, active community!
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Like the bounty idea quite well!
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@Trocatintas certainly for many that is true. But pricing mechanisms are valuable market signals. Think in terms of a reverse of go fund me situation.
@diaspora* HQ - the problem is that the community and the financial incentives haven't built this fundamental piece of usability and functionality. The requests for this work have been coming in since 2011. I'm sure that a survey of users would indicate a wide scale demand for editable posts. As Pluspora expands with the collapse of G+, more non-programmers will arrive, with the expectation of editable posts. Despite all of this eight year history, the feature remains unimplemented. Some times, the core development team are the right people to do the work, so that it gets done in a timely manner.
From another perspective, how photos were presented before 0.7.8 was a much larger deal. We were losing content creators/artists because their work looked like shit when images were clicked. Personally, I'm trying to get some of them back

As a pod owner, I don't have 10K users like Dave and Di do with pluspora, but code and database updates means not only a better stream, but actual money to provide a free service because we believe in it.

As a user (and also as a pod owner) being able to change pods is a really huge deal. Maybe I don't like my pod owner's rules. Maybe something happens and they have to shut down. All of us G+ refugees are dealing with this right now.

Also as a user, pod owner, and just general guy, the absolute number one thing that's turning people off is the lack of a native phone app. Dandelion is nice, but other than being able to share links, etc, it's still a web wrapper. You can't @ people or a number of other things you can do on desktop. When the API is released and someone can put the time into an actual app, this is a major selling point.
@Olav ᚢᛚᚹ - I fully expect that the UX/UI priorities are very different for users and pod owners. They have to remain separate lists. There are far more users than there are pod owners, which has to factor into the priority of development work to do. Where is the most 'bang for the buck?'

Clearly, someone thought the photo problem was a significant problem. It sounds like it was/is, but work was done/is being done. I understand how it was/is a UX/UI problem that needed work.

As for the "absolute number one thing," that's not for us to say. I know there's outside research on usability for fixing errors in posted text, which suggests it's important. The long line of comments and discussions over eight years of Diaspora development shows a wide desire for this functionality. There's a good amount of evidence for this demand.

I suspect that a survey would rank a mobile app and editable comments above changing pods, but that's the value of doing actual UX/UI research. It will tell you the answers. Here, too, the research must separate the user and pod owner tasks.

As for dividing rare resources between a native phone app and editable comments, I suggest that the development skills needed to do these two tasks may be significantly different. They can and should be worked independently.

(For the record, before my disability, I designed and developed software from the system level through user applications, across four decades. I've done UX/UI work for a very long time, and cybersecurity for the last several years. I'd love to take a crack at editable comments, if I could.)
@Jeff Diewald To quote @Waithamai Dragonqueen
it was decided quite some time ago that the editing feature should be implemented (as soon as somebody finds time to implement it). it was also decided that in this feature, the post history will be kept so you can see if the post was edited and how. you can read the discussions about this on discourse and on github.
Once the API is merged, I see no problems for a better mobile app.
@Christoph S - This isn't about the mobile app. I've read the discussion on discourse, which is how I know that making posts editable has been on the development list for EIGHT YEARS. (In fact, the last post is mine.) While I agree on the need for a mobile app, realize that anyone attempting to respond to a posting will be using the keyboard available on the phone - a keyboard that makes it much easier to make typing mistakes. Building a useful mobile app is only going to make the need for editable postings even more necessary and obvious. You don't need a UX/UI research task to know that.

"Somebody finds time to implement it" has just not happened in EIGHT YEARS, despite the requests people have made, the various comments in #newhere and other threads, the related research done by UX/UI work on other similar text based systems, the bounty offers, and the discourse and GitHub discussions.

If we wait for the "API is merged," the mobile app, and whatever new, shiny thing comes along, the fundamental user experience (UX) will continue with poor usability. Frustrated users will complain about unchangeable posts in innumerable and unfindable threads. Given this, I see no reason why another EIGHT YEARS won't go by without this basic text system feature. The more Diaspora grows to include not-coders, the more people will find the #UX/UI hostile.

As the typical user shifts towards people like G+ and Facebook refugees, more people will have a poor user experience when it comes to posting. You want to make this the go-to social network system of choice - then you have to build it for them, not you or me.

Perhaps the biggest fallacy in software development is the thought that "since I'm a developer and a user, if it works for me, that means it's usable, with a good user experience." Most software developers are terrible at UX, and research shows it.

So, despite @Waithamai Dragonqueen's response, I don't believe you. How long would it really take to build editable posts into the system? Someone couldn't find that time in EIGHT YEARS? Someone couldn't predict the kind of users that would come when opening the system up to a wider audience? No one engaged an experienced UX/UI developer or three starting with the initial development process? If that's the case, I don't think I'm going to like the answer to - No one engaged an experienced cybersecurity expert or three starting with the initial development process? Someone didn't do a review of UX/UI and cybersecurity at some point along the way?
Surprisingly, the only people complaining about the lack of the edit feature are the ones who think they know exactly how the world works, that everything is easy, how to run open source projects, and how to magically make contributions appear out of nowhere with magical fairy powder. Reasonable users ask about the edit feature, we tell them there is none but one will come one day, and they are just fine with that, because they understand this is not a project with full-time developers building a product to sell, but individuals spending their free time who just want to have some fun and improve the internet in a way they deem right. Also, as it turns out, most users don't see it as a fundamental feature nobody can live without, despite your claims.

Also stop rambling about a allegedly hostile user experience when you didn't even bother thinking about the context behind the links Wai provided, which would indicate pretty clearly that the main reason implementing the edit feature is caused by our requirements for good UX, which, for example, includes a clear "this post has been modified" indication along a history of previous changes to make these actions transparent to everyone.
and the financial incentives haven’t built this fundamental piece of usability and functionality
You, as a former professional, should not expect that a 400 dollar bounty on editing posts is even close to enough money to reasonably cover the time someone has to spend on that. If someone decides to work on editing posts, they do it because they personally want to work on it, because they are interested in solving this issue. Not at all for financial benefits.
I suspect that a survey would rank a mobile app and editable comments above changing pods
Just because you think that's important doesn't mean everyone believes it is, and it does not mean that active contributors think it's important enough to stop working on other things. And in fact, your assumption is plain wrong. We can measure engagement in different issues and discussions, and it's entirely clear that the account migration is a much higher impact goal than editing posts, and implementing some group functionality is leading the list in terms of user-facing features. Editing posts is, to most users, a question of added convenience, not a matter of providing "fundamental functionality".

So, how about instead of attacking people and attempting to tell other people what they have to work on, why don't you join a world where people understand that they can express their opinion in a friendly and meaningful way, while also recognizing that that's just that - their opinion, and absolutely not a set of rules other people have to follow.
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I'd love to be able to post to Diaspora via e-mail. That'd be really cool.
always love your astute comments @Dennis Schubert