So, we have three or four categories of problem:In witch country illegal in legal terms?
Those behaving in an illegal manner (libel or spam)
Those behaving in a socially harmful manner (bigotry or hate speech)From who's perspective?
Those performing denial of service attacks. e.g., posting long, nonsensical, or disruptive posts. “All talk and no listen” comes in this category.Who is to decide what is nonsensical?
Those with perspectives that are harmful to themselves and others. These can look like 3 above, but they’re born of ignorance, not malice, and can usually be remedied by asking nicely.Same as the last point above.
Each of these would need to be handled differently to maintain open public discourse.Again, by whom?
I’ve been on BBSes and the 'net for over 40 years, very much of that w/o moderation. I find the “moderation” of sites like FB, Youtube, and news comment sections, etc. very interesting, at least in America. Post genitalia or a nipple, and you’ll find moderators coming down on that like a ton of bricks. Post Nazi and Nazi-adjacent material? Well, then it’s something something “free speech”.
Unfortunate, diaspora doesn’t support any of them.
The nazis are the ones who rewrite history rather than respect reality. That statement sounds just like something they would say in their own lying defense. And I hope you realize that nazis do not believe in liberal values like “free speech”, but they cynically use our rights in order to create a regime that will censor everybody.Of course that's true, the more stupid ones delete and censor right away. Also there are those that try to go under your skin by leaving your comments up and discuss with you trying to "win you over".
I’m pretty amused to see some of the gang of fascists still whining about how podmins that are “fags”, “SJWs” and so on are repressing them,On rewriting history:
In any case it’s quite easy to address this by some code improving blocking features for pod’s and accounts as well as by the community through communication itself.This is happening right now in this conversation here for example by comments like:
if something like a crowd-sourced ignore list that could somehow be shared (on GitLab or the like) and others could somehow import, and script something to regularly update?
Then, in the “welcome…” kind of messages a podmin could customize it to inform users of all the background, then point them to the resource(s) to do this if they wish.
A crowd-sourced federated reputation scheme would be effective if the rating groups were invite-only. This would allow people to subscribe to the ratings scheme that suited their proclivities.Overall, though, a global ban option would make the echo-chamber problem worse. We get so incredibly upset when anybody disagrees with the trifles that we don’t even realize when their disagreement is important to social discourse. It’s healthy for people to have to face their own cognitive dissonance every now and again.
my objection was to the particular passage which I cited, for the reasons I stated.I get that, but as you stated yourself before:
If Nazis succeed in getting themselves censored, that censorship will be used on anti-nazis too.That's why I discus the system and it's setup, no matter what's the contextual issue. It's not about nazi/anti-nazi it's about the setup in general as it can and will be used later on on any kind of "minority" not only the obviously undesired once.
in order to have “free speech” and by which they mean hate speech.Here is a fairly typical example of the contemporary misunderstanding of what free speech is.
And no, in order for a platform to truly promote free speech, they do not have to tolerate the speech of Nazis.
Post Nazi and Nazi-adjacent material? Well, then it’s something something “free speech”.
Speaking of which, I’ve limited your comments to 200 words, so you might want to be a little more concise.@Robert Rapplean
I’m pretty sure that Zhitomirskly didn’t intend for Diaspora to be somewhere that drives people away with their inability to shut out obnoxious jerks.https://twitter.com/zhitomirskiyi/status/122400286257070080
some code improving blocking features for pod’s and accountsIlya probably had coded something when the situation had come up and he felt the need to do so.
I’m pretty sure that Zhitomirskly didn’t intend for Diaspora to be somewhere that drives people away with their inability to shut out obnoxious jerks.
In September 2011 the developers stated, "...our distributed design means no big corporation will ever control Diaspora. Diaspora* will never sell your social life to advertisers, and you won't have to conform to someone's arbitrary rules or look over your shoulder before you speak."
you are saying I'm the troll?No. I never said it. I saying that your behaviours is identical to troll: Most of your posts contain emotional trolling over US conservatives. You do not provide documents against them, you insult and humiliate them using obscene language. If you were at the same time troll democrats, socialists and other liberal parties - this could be understood. But your political trolling is strictly targeted and biased.
You are the one that has created multiple accounts and constantly repeat the same boring nonsense about a "stolen identity"Yes it is. It was you who forced me to do it: you said that i am a Nazi and immediately banned me. I consider this to be unacceptable, given that the Nazis critically wounded my own grandfather. I was an anti-fascist activist for about 10 years. I never supported Nazism. At the same time you pay taxes to the state, which finances Zionism and the genocide of the Semitic people of Palestine. Also in this case, when your ancestors financed the Nazi regime in Germany, your irresponsible calling others Nazis is unacceptable for me.
Unless RAW is capable of rising from the dead, no one could possibly think my nym is the real RAW.Most of your subscribers, as it turned out, did not know. I asked you to stop exploiting someone else’s identity for a few months. You brazenly continued to discredit the real RAW identity. You changed your account name to a parody only when there was a threat of deleting your account during the bureaucratic procedure. One of your subscribers suggested writing a complaint - and only after that you obeyed to me and changed the name of your account. Now i have no complaints about your political activity. But it would be good if you have not used someone else's photo to promote your political views.
Also, you know FULL WELL you have posted very dubious content and I think it's your guilty conscience that has you harping on trivialities and lies like "stolen identities".You again start to project your personal activity on me. I have no conscience.
RAW: Well, they're irrelevant to me, that's for sure. I'm over 70-years old and I've been studying this for quite a long time. I have observed we have the same number of wars under the Democrats as we have under the Republicans, and that the United States invades as many foreign countries under the Republicans as it does under the Democrats. The people who do all the invading of foreign countries to kill people, men, women and children in their homes, they're not even called the Department of War anymore. They're called the Department of Defense! How the hell can we be defending ourselves 8,000 miles away attacking people in their jungle huts? I can't understand that and it goes on no matter which party is in control.
I began to get suspicious as far back as the 1950's when I was working as an engineering aide for a very large engineering company. One of the chief engineers told me that the company had a Vice President in Washington all the time. His job was to be their lobbyist and he gave equal amounts of money to the Democrats and Republicans so that no matter who won, the company would be represented in Congress and in the White House.
And I'm sure they all do the same thing: they give approximately equal amounts to both major parties and they make damn sure no third party ever gets strong enough to pose a challenge. Voting is choosing between Tweedle-Dee and Tweedle-Dum. Which gang of Wall Street bandits does this guy represent as opposed to which gang of Wall Street bandits does this guy represent? They both represent the same gang of Wall Street bandits so there is no real choice.
That's why I use Gmail for random correspondence -- they filter out the bad actors so I don't have to.In the end I suppose it's the "free market" that will or should create pods that protect their users from getting exposed more or less to certain content
And no, in order for a platform to truly promote free speech, they do not have to tolerate the speech of "XYZ".What is "a platform"?
Do not feed the troll!
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you do seem to be troll fodder. I keep telling my kids that leaving food around their room will attract roaches and rodents, but they don’t listen either.you do seem projection personal experiences on others.
Finally, the agency should create guidelines for acceptable speech on social media. This idea may seem un-American — we would never stand for a government agency censoring speech. But we already have limits on yelling “fire” in a crowded theater, child pornography, speech intended to provoke violence and false statements to manipulate stock prices. We will have to create similar standards that tech companies can use. These standards should of course be subject to the review of the courts, just as any other limits on speech are. But there is no constitutional right to harass others or live-stream violence.
mʕ•ﻌ•ʔm seems to think that allowing nazi propaganda is part of the essence of freedom on diasporaNo I don't.
I agree passionately with Maurice Nicoll (a physician who mastered both Jungian and Gurdjieffian systems) who wrote that the major purpose of “work on consciousness” is to “decrease the amount of violence in the world.” The main difference between our world and Swift’s is that while we have stopped killing each other over religious differences (outside the Near East and Northern Ireland), we have developed an insane passion for killing each other over ideological differences. I regard Organized Ideology with the same horror that Voltaire had for Organized Religion.https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/robert-anton-wilson-left-and-right-a-non-euclidean-perspective
Concretely, I am indeed a Male Feminist, as L.A. Rollins claimed (although seeing myself often on TV, I deny that I simper; I don’t even swish); like all libertarians, I oppose victimless crime laws, all drug control laws, and all forms of censorship (whether by outright reactionaries or Revolutionary Committees or Radical Feminists).
And in no way do I mean to “obey” anyone here. No podmin or anyone else has ever said anything, so what you think is immaterial.You are lying. For several months i asked you not to steal and not to discredit the identity of the RAW. You ignored my requests, did not obey. One of your subscribers recommended writing a complaint, i did it - and you immediately changed the name of the account to a parody form, only after bureaucratic threat you obeyed my requirements:
However, I should make it clear that I’ve never claimed to be RAW, even though ivan seems obsessed with making such spurious claims.If you do not lie - please change userpic of your profile.
If you do not lie - please change userpic of your profile.@The Very Real Robert Anton Wilson you are not changed userpic with stolen photo. So i think you was lie.
If you do lie - please do not change RAW photo of your userpic.
At least he trolls in this way which is just a mild irritant.Calling someone a Money Launderer is not mild. And we he was inevitably added in the ignore list he didn't say "Hey, these people do not want to have anything to do with me, let's leave them alone". He create a bazillion accounts so he could continue his attacks. Standard troll modus operandi.
When Ilya Zhitomirsky was murdered in November 2011, the web was filled with remorse about his “suicide”. What? A 22-year-old Russian computer genius with a media site (“Diaspora”) that was bound to replace Facebook, full of vigor and ambition, committed suicide!? I noticed that within the 60 or so notes I read nobody mentioned “possibility of Homicide” anywhere. It seemed the web grievances weren’t valid if not one speculated “homicide”. I decided to follow the details: The police were the only ones within the grievances that gave any details about Ilya’s case, and that was, “An autopsy report will be forthcoming in three weeks”. It took almost five months for the autopsy report to be released, and the results certainly could not have taken five months to determine. The San Francisco Medical Examiner determined Ilya had died of “asphyxiation”, that is, “suffocation”, “lack of oxygen”. It wouldn’t take a forensic pathologist five months to render suffocation as a cause of death.It was comment to your repost about Ilya.
I deleted some comments from this post because I think that using a person’s death to promote your views is a very perverted thing to do.My next comment, that you are deleted was picture with full quote, that in your repost was taken out of context:
"Yes, I agree that being a startup founder is stressful. But it wasn’t the stress of work that killed Ilya. He had his own issues. He was sick."For you, the sick and the trolls are all those who do not agree to put up with the Western capitalist system, as i understand it.
You can ask your nazi friends to give you the ‘bad pod’ list. Never use those!I have no nazi friends. I have never nazi friends. I could communicate with nazis, westerns and cannibals, but i had never nazi friends. Nazis killed many of my relatives, nazis wounded my grandfather. Also i heared about some greek collaborations with nazis:
So here I am breaking my own rule and talking to a troll. You can have the last word. Over and out.You are not responsible for your words. You are lying about the events in the past. You call me a troll and attribute me your nazi friends. And do not give a simple answer to a simple question. I think the answer is obvious:
Haha sometimes when I re-read an old thread, I see how I misunderstood some of the comments I was responding to.